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Αν και είμαι κι εγώ απ' αυτούς που θεωρούν το Γιώργο Νταλάρα ως τον καλύτερο έλληνα τραγουδιστή, θα συμφωνήσω πως αυτά τα σχόλια περί Μαρινέλλας δε μου άρεσαν καθόλου. Μπορεί η κυρία Μαρινέλλα κι ο Νταλάρας να είχαν διαφορετικούς δρόμους... Οταν ο Νταλάρας την αποκαλεί μάνα και την αντιμετωπίζει με τέτοια αγάπη και σεβασμό, είναι λογικό πως θα έδινε και έμπρακτα στο δίσκο μια "υψηλότερη θέση" στην κυρία Μαρινέλλα, ως "Ευχαριστώ" για όσα έκανε γι' αυτόν στην αρχή... Δε σημαίνει αυτό πως ο Νταλάρας χάνει τη θέση όπου τον έχει ο καθένας στην ψυχή του... Αυτό το "Ευχαριστώ", αυτή η σεμνότητα δεν τον μειώνει, τον τιμάει...

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nomiza pws se afto to foroum eimaste edw giati mas ekfrazei enas megalos kalitexnis,o giorgos dalaras

Emena den me ekfrazei mono o Dalaras alla kathe kallitexni (tragoudistis h synthetis) pou eixe kai kathe kallitexni pou exei mia dhmiourgikh thesh sthn ellhnikh mousikh, kai h Marinella einai apo aftous, fysika... :)

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Δεν ξέρω για "σημαντικό" κτλ., αλλά νομίζω ότι ακούω στο "Μαζί" κάτι που δεν έχω ξανακούσει ποτέ σε δίσκο του Νταλάρα και που μ' αρέσει ιδιαίτερα σ' αυτό. Είναι το αληθινό ντουέτο, δλδ η ισότητα των φωνών. Δεν τραγουδούν με μια πρώτη και μια δεύτερη φωνή, τραγουδούν ΜΑΖΙ. Πολύ δύσκολο είναι και σπάνιο - ίσος γι' αυτό δεν αναγνωρίζεται;

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Είναι πραγματικά μια πολύ όμορφη και ευχάριστη ηχογράφηση :)

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Irinula wrote what she wrote. Her post is still here.

To this, I unswered in just one word, "sosta", and it has been deleted.

In my opinion there are two possible reasons for this, either the word was too heavy, hard, important or TRUE, or...but I would rather not go into the second.

Now I want to say another thing, more articulate. I don't think that Dalaras puts Marinella before him... And EVEN if he DID, it would not NECCESSARILLY mean that it is true, because he is modest as all great men are. Einstein was too. One cannot see the whole mountain standing at the foot of it. It is POSSIBLE that Dalaras does not realize WHO he is. And, it does NOT make me great for seeing this. I just stand afar and can see better than him...The same thing happened with Grigoris Bithikotsis and Dalaras, who overpassed his teacher, and Dalaras loves him dearly too.

To my mind he is the best singer ever on the globe.... Someone must be the best, why not him? What is so wrong with it?.. Calling Marinella "mama" proves nothing, we all have mothers that do everything for us, and it does not mean that they are better in whatever we do than us... He is grateful, he loves Marinella, and if you want to know ho's the best, just ask Lefteris Papadopulos.

:)

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1. O Dalaras einai enas megalos kallitexnis

2. alla iparxoun kai alloi kalitexnes,

3. isos kai kaliteroi apo afton.

Nikos,

1and 2. etsi einai!!!!!!

3. :):):) (means: prosoxi..... :D:D:D ).

Sou kalispera!

Olga

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Tha paradexomoun-opos to ekanan merikoi edo sto forum-kapoion pou tha anagnorize to poso simantiki einai i Marinella asxeta an tou aresei i oxi alla kai na exei sto nou pos iparxoun kai alloi kalitexnes megaloi san ton Dalara.To "megaliteroi apo to Dalara" isos einai PROKLITIKO apo merous mou,otan to grafo se ena forum pou milame gia ton Dalara.

Omos tha imoun poli ikanopiimenos an kapoioi itan se thesi na to apodektoun.Kai oi fan tis Bissi p.x ta idia lene opos kai oi perisoteroi fan pou xtizoun eidola....Nomizo pos exo kourastei na grafo tis apopsis mou gia to thema.Eimai safhs ti thelo na po kathe fora pou grafontai aoristies.Den nomizo na allaksei tipota kai lipame giati blepo pos polles fores grafontai apo anthropous megalis ilikias pou tha eprepe na skeftontai pio orima apo mena...

Efo alloste krino ta pragmata kai apo mia alli thesi,tou mousikou pou tixganei na gnorizo poso diskolo-efkolo,sosto-lathos einai na tragouda kaneis opos i Marinella, o Dalaras,i Galani klp. Ekei iparxei to antikeimeniko gia to opoio milao.Apo kei kai pera dexome to na theorei kapoios ton Dalara os kalitero apo olous-otan milaei sto "einai" tou kathe akroati tou-alla den dexome na legonte pragmata iperbolika kai na epikratei mia mataiodoksia sto oti meta ton Dalara to xaos....Ipirkse kai enas Kazantzidis kai mia Marinella kai enas Mbithikotsis prin apo ton Dalara pou gia na min fano "kakos" tha po pos toulaxiston den einai katoteroi tou Dalara......

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Peste oti thelete, DEN IPARHI PERIPTOSI, ke kala sas ipe i Olga! Diladi,

O DALARAS INE O KALITEROS, ITAN KE THA INE. HAUG!!! ...Opos elegan i Indiani in "Old Shatterhand" and "Old firehand", by Karl May who never went to the Wild West. Henrik Sienkievich never went to Africa, I think, which was no obstacle for him to write "In the deserts and forests", isn't that so, Ollga"! He also wrote the masterpiece Quo vadis domone?", having never been to ancient Rome! He, he!

Sinehizo me to Dalara,opos itan o Mozart ke meta... TIPOTA!!! O Bethoven ine o PARIOS, or vice versa... Me afta ta logia klino ke sas kalisperizo oles ke olus, ego pu xenihtao apopse gia enan oreo logo... ke den ine afto pu nomizete!!! :)

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Peste oti thelete, DEN IPARHI PERIPTOSI, ke kala sas ipe i Olga! Diladi,

O DALARAS INE O KALITEROS, ITAN KE THA INE. HAUG!!! ...Opos elegan i Indiani in "Old Shatterhand" and "Old firehand", by Karl May who never went to the Wild West. Henrik Sienkievich never went to Africa, I think, which was no obstacle for him to write "In the deserts and forests", isn't that so, Ollga"! He also wrote the masterpiece Quo vadis domone?", having never been to ancient Rome! He, he!

Sinehizo me to Dalara,opos itan o Mozart ke meta... TIPOTA!!! O Bethoven ine o PARIOS, or vice versa... Me afta ta logia klino ke sas kalisperizo oles ke olus, ego pu xenihtao apopse gia enan oreo logo... ke den ine afto pu nomizete!!! :)

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Peste oti thelete, DEN IPARHI PERIPTOSI, ke kala sas ipe i Olga! Diladi,

O DALARAS INE O KALITEROS, ITAN KE THA INE. HAUG!!! ...Opos elegan i Indiani in "Old Shatterhand" and "Old firehand", by Karl May who never went to the Wild West. Henrik Sienkievich never went to Africa, I think, which was no obstacle for him to write "In the deserts and forests", isn't that so, Ollga"! He also wrote the masterpiece "Quo vadis domone?", having never been to ancient Rome! He, he!

Sinehizo me to Dalara,opos itan o Mozart ke meta... TIPOTA!!! O Bethoven ine o PARIOS, or vice versa... Me afta ta logia klino ke sas kalisperizo oles ke olus, ego pu xenihtao apopse gia enan oreo logo... ke den ine afto pu nomizete!!! :)

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Kala an o Parios einai o Beethoven ego eimai i Kleopatra.Afto den einai forum tou Dalara alla ta brabeia "Arion".

PAIDIA HREMISTE an thelete na legeste sobaroi anthropoi. Iparxoun tropoi na kseskasete pio igieis apo aftous tous "malthakous" pou dialegete-den milao asfalos gia olous,pros theou.An sto prosopo tou Dalara brikate ton Theo sas tote den diaferete katholou me aftous pou brizete-tous mi "poiotikous" diladi.Poia i diafora afou eisaste idioi? Mono ta eidola sas allazoun...

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pes ta re niko...pes ta...

arxizw na amfivalw gia to foroum kai gia ta atoma pou to plesionoun...de mou exoun apodiksei oti einai antikeimenikoi...

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alla den dexome na legonte pragmata iperbolika kai na epikratei mia mataiodoksia sto oti meta ton Dalara to xaos....Ipirkse kai enas Kazantzidis kai mia Marinella kai enas Mbithikotsis prin apo ton Dalara pou gia na min fano "kakos" tha po pos toulaxiston den einai katoteroi tou Dalara......

Afto einai alitheia, pragmatika !!! Kai mhn ksexname kai tous allous poly kalous kallhtexnes kai se alles xores... Prepei na eimaste antikeimenikoi...

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Loipon, prepei na mpei mia taksi edo... Yparxoun 2-3 atoma (tosa prepei na einai sto forum) pou lene ahdies synexws, atoma pu den exoun idea apo mousiki kai rixnoun to epipedo tou forum... Fysika kai yparxoun o Kazantzidis, o Mpithikotsis kai arketoi alloi pu einai poly megaloi kallitexnes...

Niko K, exeis apolyto dikio... Opoios kserei polla melh tou forum, exei katalavei pws einai atoma aksiologa me poly sosti antilipsi giro apo ti musiki kai to elliniko tragoudi... apla tora mpenoun 2-3 pou einai aparadektoi kai asxetoi kai... ti allo na pw, den perigrafonte, kai mas grafoun tou kosmou tis ahdies...

Kai eidika me aformi afto to poly oraio CD, to "Mazi", eipwthikan arketa pragmata pou prosvaloun to forum to idio... Den mporoun atoma (ta 2-3 gia ta opoia milame) pou den exoun idea apo to elliniko tragoudi na lene kai malista me thrasos tetoies ahdies...Entaksi, na eimaste eugenikoi, na dexomaste oles tis apopseis, alla afta einai aparadekta

Ama ta akouge o kyrios Giorgos, tha eskage sta gelia... diladi... apla aparadekto... O kathenas exei tis protimiseis touallous tous aresei h Antzela Dimitriou! ki emena mou aresei o Dalaras perissotero apo olous alla den einai geloio na mpenume sti diadikasia na sirginume, kai malista me tetoio tropo?... Eksallou, I ousia sti mousiki den einai pios einai kalyeros ap ton allo einai to na yparxoun kallitexnes pou na voithane to kalo tragoudi kai na aggizoun tis psixes mas tora oi teleftees sigriseis pu eginan thimizun ontws vraveia Ariwn kai fans pou malonoun an einai kaliteri I Vissi i h Vandi

Opoios pragmatika thavmazei ton Dalara, prepei kai na katsei na diavasei kamia synentefksi tou kai na dei tis apopseis tou, giati o Dalaras den einai mono ena Mia Vradya sto Leverkuzen ligo ekso ap to stathmo tha thimamai pou mou eipes gia sou manga s agapoOtan ftanoume sto simio na fonazume oti einai kai kala o kalyeros kai the best kai theos kai den ksero ki ego ti allo, e tote mpainoume stin katigoria twn opadwn tis Antzelas

Den ksero kai diorthoste me please, opou exo lathi s afta pou lew

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Telika oloi edo simfonoume alla sto telos tha bgo ego i "Tasso Kabbadia" tou forum pou bgazo to fidi apo tin tripa...... :)

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megali mpougatsa symfwnw kai epafksanw...

dikio exeis se osa les...i toulaziston egw symfwnw...

as mi ginomaste fanatismenoi opadoi....as minoume filoi tis mousikis...

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Αυτά είναι τα λόγια ενός ανθρώπου που δεν έχει καμία ευαισθησία όσο αφορά το ελληνικό τραγούδι

I would like to address Francois who wrote the above about me.

If you do not agree with my opinion - that is OK. You are entitled to your opinion. However, you are not entitled to insult me personally as you have in the above.

I, like you, am entitled to voice my own opinion, without the fear of being insulted. That is why we live in a democracy.

For your information, my knowledge and ευαισθησθια of greek music is vast. I am a very proud greek and object when an open forum is taken down to a personal level.

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Eirinoula, francois had to write his opinion, with which i and propably many other members agree...

If you feel insulted, it is you problem... And you can't talk about ευαισθησία when you write those things... You insult the forum with your posts, and it is not the first time... in the past you have written even worse things...

Well, it is not my pleasure to write those things to you, but i have to write them... You are in a forum where everyone (even me now) thinks well before writing, you can not write everything that comes to your head without thinking if you are insulting others... When you say those crazy things about kyria Marinella, when you say that it is hypocritical that kyrios Giorgos voiced his opinion in New York, when innocent people were being killed at the war, what do you expect from the other members? To accept all this nonsense as an "opinion"?...

And, although i hate bringing the topic to a personal level, some things have to be said... And don't think that all the other members who are reading your (and some other members') posts, like them!... Posts like those do not suit to a forum like this... Go to the Angela Dimitriou club and voice your opinion...

If you like good music, and are able to be in a community and write less insulting posts, of course you are welcome to the club... Because noone has something special against you... You just have to think before writing...

(And i apologize to the other members for writing these... I am maybe just too angry...)

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Eirinoula, francois had to write his opinion, with which i and propably many other members agree...

If you feel insulted, it is you problem... And you can't talk about ευαισθησία when you write those things... You insult the forum with your posts, and it is not the first time... in the past you have written even worse things...

Thanks for your words, megali_mpougatsa.

As far as I am concerned, my intention is not to feed quarrels with anyone here, but to write about Dalaras and Greek music.

Epanalamvanw: "MAZI" is a great CD and I am looking forward to attending one of the performances of Marinella and Dalaras TOGETHER... :):music:

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Oj, paidia,

I must admit I had some dfficulties to read and to understand all the opinions in Greek now;

but please, please,

1. let us not make here an Eurovision contest, i.e. who is the Number 1, Number 2, Number 3.

We are in the Giorgos Dalaras forum and not in the University of Technology!

2. Of course, Giorgos Dalaras IS unique, but it must not mean the same for everybody.

And I am still more used to hear Dimitra Galani in "Athanasia" than the record of Mazi CD,

but it does not mean I can not like Marinella's work, even if I know it only very superficial.....

3. An another side of the thing:

perhaps you remember the Rome concert of Jose Carreras - Placido Domingo - Luciano Pavarotti some years ago. It was a great event and success.

Then it was tried to put together - if I remember the names well - Montserrat Caballe - Kathleen Battle and somebody else, anyway three famous sopran singers - and it was not succesful at all, because they could not find a way of working together!!!! Being some jealous of each ither!

4. Then we have a recording Dalaras - Marinella and try to make sometimes a contest between their work and voices, aven if the work took place and was succesful, as we can see (or hear).

It is not necessary.

5. Zyx, nice to hear your words now. Even if I don't understand why you quoted HENRYK SIENKIEWICZ and his total lovely book "In the deserts and forests" (have you seen the film from some 1973, too?) - and his "Quo vadis" (for what he got a Nobel prize and what was made to a succesful film with Peter Ustinov as Neron)

6. Megali, Francois and others, thanks for your important words. A pity we have to add them now and again......

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Olga, it was because I said 'HAUG', and then explained where I got the word from, from "WINETOO" or "Old Shaterhand"... As for the film on "In the desert and the forest", I never saw it and wander who played Stasha and Nela, maybe you knew and remember... And as for "Quo vadis Domine?", it was on our TV just recently...

...But I prefer Dalara to whatever possible, except to real love.

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:):D

Stasiu: Tomasz Medrzak (an actor now indeed)

Nel: Monika Rosca (became pianist)

and the year some 1973 (there is a new version, too, but we prefer the old one here)

and "Quo vadis" has a new version, too, the Polish one this time.

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ZYX was me.

Is this why you edited your post of a few days ago , which I saw only today, edited, diladi wordless.

I remember our 'correspondence'... B)

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