Who are the Dalaras fans?

[nighthawk 0]

Sorry, but here I go again...

I still remember what happened to Nikh and how unfair it was to some extent. Of course, she was a bit of a nut and managed the whole situation pretty badly...

But I still can't see any relation to Dolores from Columbia, who's merely a funny character. I think some of you are probably way too serious and truly believe the entire world thinks the way you do. Wel, here's some news: no it doesn't.

Start banning everyone's IP and soon the forums will disappear from the face of the earth or at least become very, very meaningless.

... Ok. Edited.

[Astron 17]

Ίσως το topic θα έπρεπε να μετονομαστεί σε Who AREN'T the Dalaras fans

Για να είναι συνεπές με το περιοχόμενό του δηλαδή...

:blink: :blink:

[nighthawk 0]

Ok, I can understand you. But you have to understand (and I hope you do) that there are always several different degrees to being a fan. Some are more biased, some more unbiased. I'm in the second group. That's why I can tell you what I like about Dalaras and what I dislike about Dalaras - liking everything really makes no sense, I mean, I even get angry with God and He's God!

I just think that keeping the topics too straight, telling people to shut up in an insulting way (which I'm not saying you did) and scaring people away may not be the best rut for a forum. But that's only me, of course...

[vitaly2 9]

Nighthawk: if you want people to be tolerant, just look at yourself and watch your language - you don't have to use insulting language to tell your opinion. Read your previous posts again: who started all this animosity by saying "Dalaras is dead"?

My opinion in very polite language: you should be banned for such language (well, it seems you already stepped down to a more cogerent speech...) instead of Dolores.

Hola, Dolores! Eres una mujer muy simpatica. Makes also proof that Dalaras latin songs are a success.

[Christo 9]

Well my point is well spoken for I see

Obviously we cannot agree with everything someone writes to discuss

but lately, it just seems like we can no longer agree or tolerate ones topic of discussion either.

Someone new comes in to join and makes an attempt by adding in Humor (which we needed btw) with a touch of the Feminine side to evoke Expression by adding a spice of Sensuality to the Female Gender.

Was that so bad. Before then we we're fighing like cats n dogs whenever someone bashes or criticizes Dalaras whether it being his music or from his characteristics by his personality. And only a handfull of people really complained about this.

The point is it led to arguing and No one got Banned from the Club for this. But evoking a litle flirtation and all of sudden now its taboo. Its like being in a Concentration Camp! Again the warmthness to join, meet new people and make new friends has greatly diminished.

I have not seen alot of the older members (who first joined a long time ago & who posted in english btw) to write anymore Coincidence maybe well I think not

[nighthawk 0]

Oh, wow! I never said Dalaras was dead. I said some years ago a friend in Athens told me Dalaras was dead (and that's all figurative speech) and I disagreed. But, as I said, now I have to agree (and that's only my opinion) that he is "dead" with the possibility of coming back to life. Now, what can be so wrong about that? All it means is that although I like Dalaras as a whole I very much dislike the path he took some years ago. There is more than one Dalaras and I don't particularly like the present one but there may still be more to come. All that, of course, always referring to his music. I don't even know him personally, for Chryssakes! Since Dalaras has been singing for long and since he's done different things in his career and since I enjoy a lot of what he's done and also since I probably was here before some of you were and, finally, because I believe the place needs some people a little less biased than most, I believe I have a right to be here.

You think you know who's started the insults but just think: why haven't I been banned? Maybe I didn't start the insults. Maybe they didn't start where you think they started... It's a possibility, correct? And don't you also think that some people who subtly (well, not in my opinion, but people may see the same things differently) try to provoke insulting arguments know precisely who Dolores is? Or do you really think everyone's being totally honest here?

I do agree with you regarding Dolores: this place, growingly creepy from too much seriousness and restrictions and people who believe they own both the truth and the forums, needs people who can cheer it up a little. Yes, Dolores is nice.

PS - Christo, I've noticed that too. Some people have simply vanished or maybe come in from time to time and don't even post. What on earth could that mean?

[Geske 37]

This topic has (for the second time) become seriously depressing.

[nighthawk 0]

One of my favorite songs by Dalaras is Taxidi sta Kithira and I like it specially in its live piano/sax version. Other songs I like a lot include Kir Kostaki Ela Konta, , Monahoyos O Kostandis, O Zorikos, Ein Arrostia Ta Tragoudia and Ta Vegalika Sou Matia just to bname a few. I also like the album Dalaras dedicated to the 50 Years of Rembetika (which I bought in Athens some years ago), the great Mikra Asia and his Latin album which I started by not liking but which finally contains some very good songs. Generally speaking, I like him when he's somehow closer to his Greek roots and I expect him to get back there sometime.

[vitaly2 9]

I think it's not fair to everybody else that this guy highjacked the thread - one of few still remaining in English...

[nighthawk 0]

Who? Me? Are you serious? Some have merely paid too much attention to my posts (seriously and honestly written) and somehow forced me to answer back. I'm not a hijacker nor do I have a gun pointed at anybody's head. Just go on posting whatever you want, for Chryssakes.

[vitaly2 9]

Considering that this topic is almost closed (I am done personally - too exciting for my sleep disorder ), can I draw some conclusions?

And it seems we have an answer to the original question "Who are Dalaras Fans?" We are a little model of the whole human society in all variety.

Some are too shy to tell their opinion and ready to go back into their tortuouse shell, others always ready to pull a template and reject everything that does not fit into their people classification - then retreat into an ivory tower. Yelling instead of arguing - good thing we can still hear through the scream, thanks to that wonderful technological utopia of the Web.

All that very well and manageable - until a representative of "freedom of expression" comes out and starts carpet-bombing. That's where civility ends and war starts. What to do? I don't know. Hopefully, civility will emerge again from this rich variety pool. At least, we have love to music in common - regardless of how it is perceived: as part of life or distraction from life.

I tried to be short but if it still sounds too phylosophical, I am not apologyzing: probably runs in the family - although I am an amateur, my son majored in Phylosophy.

[nighthawk 0]

Congratulations to your son.

Dalaras's fans do vary and they may not even be the regular "fan", they may just enjoy the music or some of the music, whatever. What is a fan exactly? That would lead us back to the discussion on if a fan stands for fanatic or not... I prefer to think not.

Anyway, never forget how important freedom of expression is: number one pillar of democracy. Of course, it's always possible to try and build small located dictatorships here and there, but I find it undesirable.

[Geske 37]

[vitaly2 9]

Nighthawk:

Thanks, I accept congratulations.

When your freedom of expression = freedom of insulting and disregarding sensitivities it brings local civil wars.

A little phylosophy would be helpful: going back to my family, it became much easier to communicate with my son, and he stopped yelling at all. :lol:

[Hristaki 313]

:lol: :lol: I was CORRECT about who Dolores really was!!! :lol:

Hristaki

[nighthawk 0]

Nighthawk:

Thanks, I accept congratulations.

When your freedom of expression = freedom of insulting and disregarding sensitivities it brings local civil wars.

A little phylosophy would be helpful: going back to my family, it became much easier to communicate with my son, and he stopped yelling at all. :lol:

Vitaly, understand it all depends on how you look at it. Not everybody would agree that I am the one to blame. There isn't one sensitivity, there are several and all should be respected, don't you agree? But let's skip it, enough is enough. I don't enjoy causing civil wars (except for funny ones, but those cause no victims), believe me, but when I feel atacked I tend to reply the same way. Sorry, but that's how it is.

Furthermore, could you please ask "you know who" who Dolores was? I am quite curious myself but he asked me and told me not to speak to him or to even mention his name and I intend to respect that... Thanks.

[Michael 2]

:lol:    :lol:  I was CORRECT about who Dolores really was!!!    :lol:  

Hristaki  

Perhaps Dalaras himself !?!? :lol: :lol:

Considering that this topic is almost closed (I am done personally - too exciting for my sleep disorder ), can I draw some conclusions?

And it seems we have an answer to the original question "Who are Dalaras Fans?" We are a little model of the whole human society in all variety.

That's my conclusion too. Therefore I am quite satisfied about the contents of this topic. Maybe it does not give very much facts and information about Dalaras, his songs etc. But it is a realistic, authentic "sociological" picture of how "fans" (admirers, friends ... whatever) of Dalaras feel towards the artist, towards other people and also towards themselves. From this point of view this topic is perfect.

(And when speaking about "fans" I do not only mean the "fanatics" - as I continue to call them - but all people who in one or another way like/d Dalaras or at least certain aspects of his activities: that means also members with a more critical or unemotional approach like Natalie, nighthawk, "Dolores" and of course also myself.)

Yes, I like this topic.

Hopefully, civility will emerge again from this rich variety pool. At least, we have love to music in common - regardless of how it is perceived: as part of life or distraction from life.

No, vitaly, in this respect I am completely pessimistic: When even such a completely harmless subject (topic) like a singer and his activities is able to cause such heavy conflicts, how could be more civility when there are different opinions between people about other - more relevant - questions? And I never understood why people attack each other because they like different football clubs or have different religion or different language etc. And I will continue not to understand it. But on the other hand such conflicts do not surprise me when I see what happens here, concerning a singer.

[vitaly2 9]

This ridiculous altercation remind me something we call "road rage", when one driver starts cutting another off, then they stop their cars and proceed with a fist (or gun) fight. That's about time, these guys get of the road and beat each other using their private E-mails.

The same as Michael, I don't understand. Good thing, we don't have guns.

Michael mentioned that this topic is now less abour Dalaras and his songs that ebout members' egos.

Recently an interesting question was asked (later edited out): which Dalaras song was an eye-opener?

For me it was Mana mou Hellas - especially that lament in the beginning, which was completely different from every Greek song I had heard before. Was it the same song Natalie spoke about saying it sounded soft like a love song at the Olympic ceremony? (I am not sure because only a shadow of Dalaras appeared on US TV before they switched to showing a Chinese dancer group).

The recording of Mana mou Hellas in the Rembetiko CD does not have that power (my opinion) as in the Dalaras interpretation. There were of course other songs, but this was an eye-opener. It would be interesting to hear which songs did the same for other people.

[nikolas 86]

Enough is enough...locked.

ps: I still don't understand the Dolores play though. One username/person allowed. No more. And no more jokes.