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Farewell to the forum

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It is funny that few hours after I told John Acriditis that he should stay on the forum to keep it going I have to say my own farewell.

I can say the same as John: that I appreciate friendship of the friends in spite of leaving the forum. The reason for my leaving will be easily understood from the following explanation: after I posted an innocent joke in the current discussion on rules and regulations my post was deleted with the following explanation from Apostolis saying that some members did not understand (read: did not like) it. These members are obviously cowards who wont tell it themselves.

I have to add that at this moment I agree with someone who had already left after he mentioned that this forum started to resemble a cult, with some fans having very narrow-minded view at life, music and their fellow citizens of the world.

However, that is just a fact of life - that a virtual community is similar to a real one in many aspects. What is troubling is censorship that got out of hand.

The discussion about possible rules and regulations is a fake one - because censorship is already in full blossom. I will be very surprised if this my message is not deleted again (it would be the 3d time).

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The discussion about possible rules and regulations is a fake one - because censorship is already in full blossom. I will be very surprised if this my message is not deleted again (it would be the 3d time).

Vitaly2, your 1st post was exactly the same with your 2nd post. I was really surprised when I read them. :blink: So, as a simple member I think that it wasn't wrong deleting the 1st one.

And some words for your joke. I'm one of the persons who didn't understand what you wanted to say. Or didn't want to understand. The last 2 days some people here are trying to make a better forum. With the post you wrote I think you "made a joke on them".

I know that my English are not good but I had to write something, even if I wanted 30 minutes to do it, because the word "cowards" you used was too much for me...

I hope you change your mind and come back to the Dalaras Internet Community.

:D

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Thank you, Marochr for the invitation back.

But there is no place to come back. It has changed.

You must understand (your English is good enough): you have a right not to tolerate jokes, but not to delete them.

I have a right not to tolerate censorship.

I am sorry that you got offended by the word "coward".

and I am sorry again - but I have to insist of calling that someone who instead if honestly replying and saying: "listen, we don't like your jokes",

asked a third party to delete my post.

P.S. My second post was the same as the first one - because the very first farewell post with the explanation of the reason for leaving was deleted imeediately - 2 min after posting. Therefore, I posted 2 times again, so it would be less easy to delete.

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The discussion about possible rules and regulations is a fake one - because censorship is already in full blossom. I will be very surprised if this my message is not deleted again (it would be the 3d time).

Vitaly2, clam down and please think better what you're doing and what you're saying. You decided to leave the forum and you posted the exact same post in 3 different topics. I deleted the 2 of the 3 (same) posts and I left 1 post. There is no one in this Earth that would call my action as censorship! Your post is not censored... It's intact. But I will not accept in posting mulltiple same posts in the forum. It's pointless and it's rude! What ever you have to say, you can say it here.

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Apostoli:

Please acknowlege the deletion of my first post - because "some people did not like it" and explain to the community what right you have to do it except of a rude technical capabilities of deleting whatever you choose.

and then please acknowledge that you deleted a new topic that I posted about my reasons for leaving the forum with the full text of that deleted joke. You deleted it immediately - that's why I reposted again two times.

Because I don't want to leave without the last word. I think I owe it to those who are friends and the forum owes it to me.

I have to repeat that censorship of this kind is unacceptable. Not only for me. I might be some kind of a foreigh body on the forum - but there are people who accept and appreciate differences. I am also ready to accept negative judgement regarding the post in question - please tell me honestly. Deletion is a cowardly and unjust act. It is unjust - to those who might like it as opposed to those "who did not like it" and asked you to delete.

I would not have argued if someone had told: it's bad taste, inappropriate, we are all so serious, and you made a joke on us, etc. etc.

But this situation - it makes the forum not a democracy that you so proudly stated in the discussion about rules and regulations.

I hope you'll think about it when you are trying to make the forum a better place as Maroch said. Good luck!

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The discussion about possible rules and regulations is a fake one - because censorship is already in full blossom. I will be very surprised if this my message is not deleted again (it would be the 3d time).

Vitaly2, clam down and please think better what you're doing and what you're saying. You decided to leave the forum and you posted the exact same post in 3 different topics. I deleted the 2 of the 3 (same) posts and I left 1 post. There is no one in this Earth that would call my action as censorship! Your post is not censored... It's intact. But I will not accept in posting mulltiple same posts in the forum. It's pointless and it's rude! What ever you have to say, you can say it here.

You have deleted my original post again - and you dare to reply saying about identical posts. all my posts have disppeared.

So, thats my deleted message - again and again:

Essentially,

I suppost this useful discussion just an intermission (for those who have sense of humour).

Kanones

1. Honour the Father and the Mother of the forum (names insert yourselves)

that your days on the forum may be long.

2. You shall not murder your fellow member by hostility or indifference.

3. You shall not confuse the members by using multiple nicknames

except upon a special permission from the Father.

4. You shall not bring personal feelings to the forum

except when allowed by a special verdict from the Mother.

5. You shall not desire someones possession his home, donkey or friendship

as it may start a dangerous precedent.

And he added no more. He said: add yourselves whatever you decide in a discussion

But keep cool so you wont have to delete your posts.

I did not have to delete my post someone else took care of it.

Thats a PM I received from Apostolis.

Hello vitaly

I'm sorry that I had to remove your post from the topic. I received complaints from some members. Whats more, some members got confused and didnt understand why you wrote this post. So, I had to remove it. It's not personal for you. I hope you understand.

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Please acknowlege the deletion of my first post - because "some people did not like it" and explain to the community what right you have to do it except of a rude technical capabilities of deleting whatever you choose.

If any member is offended (directly or indirectly) by another member's post, I have to delete the controversial post. I would do the same thing for you, if you were offended by another member's post. It's common sense.

and then please acknowledge that you deleted a new topic that I posted about my reasons for leaving the forum with the full text of that deleted joke. You deleted it immediately - that's why I reposted again two times.

No! You're lying!!!! I have witnesses and proof! First you opened a new topic and posted a post. Then you repeated the exact same post in the topics "The Dalaras Community" and "Music in our life". So,... I deleted the new topic (which had a rude title) and I delete the (repeated, same) post in "Music in our life" which is off - topic. I kept the post in "The Dalaras Community" intact. For some irrational reason, you kept reposting this exact same post, in these topics. So, I kept deleting your posts, and keeping only one copy of it. I have no reason to delete anything you say, as long as, you post them one time, and in one topic... And stop lying. I have proof about the timing of my actions.

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Apostoli:

I can understand that you got a little heated - but you started it yourself.

I am not lying. Why should I?

I repeat that 2 identical posts were published because there was some kind of competition: you deleting, me posting (I can also get angry - you should allow me this, the only difference that I get angry at the situation, not at the people. I am not angry at you).

and to think that the original post had not even something extremely interesting or important - just a little joke. Why it was attributed such an importance? Because of someone's whim?

the main importance is about the censorship - unjustified. that's why I wanted people to see the original message - so they can judge for what reasons a post can be easily deleted, because "some people did not like it". In a democracy they might like or not - and they have all rights to tell it out loud.

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I have proof that you reposted the same post you did, BEFORE I deleted anything. Stop lying.

Secondly, I keep telling you, that I have no reason to delete something you write, as long as, you don't repeat the same message all over the forum. I have no problem in posting anything you want. Even our PMs. I thing it's pointless, but I have no problem. So, stop repeating your posts, and I will stop deleting them. End of story. Things are simple.

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Thank for your teaching, christos-regnis - about what is this forum about.

I appreciate your opinion.

Existential matters, however, are all those things Dalaras sings about.

Ask him if you have doubts.

Those who exist usually have existential issues to think about.

Those who don't - well, thay are busy with other matters, sometimes with forcing others to be like them.

Conversations about our favorite artist, his discography and interviews will be difficult to separate completely from the existential matters. If it is possible to separate - it will be like a bottle of wine without the wine.

That's my opinion.

About the joke: there is nothing intentionally offrensive - lack of sense of humour in someone is not a reason for depriving others of their right to laugh a little bit. And if I had a PM from the poor offended I would have immediately deleted it.

I am not one of the permanent offenders, I believe. There was no need to use force to the first-time "offender". But there are some people who shoot without warning - if you give them power. Oh, sorry - it might be considered an existential comment...

:D

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Thanks, Natalie.

Yes, I still am one of the biggest Dalaras fan and I respect all the other fans, regardless of their language, religion and convictions. I owe a lot to this forum to all the members.

Thats why I kept bringing things I considered important to a place important to me.

Therefore, I would like to apologize to those who found my posts annoying, irritating, or boring. It was nothing personal only existential. If an existential post was found offensive is it the fault of the mirror when someone doesnt like his image?

OK, OK, I am taking all my existential matters away just leave some crumbs here and there. Be well, everyone. Happy siesta.

P.S. Leaving only because of the censorship.

Which is an enemy in hiding. Those involved in a honest argument cannot be enemies.

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Dear Vitaly2,

Just wanted to thank you for your wonderful translation of Tasos' memoirs.

I read it twice with great interest yet never thanked you for that.

Greetings

Alona

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Kanones

1. Honour the Father and the Mother of the forum (names insert yourselves)

that your days on the forum may be long.

2. You shall not murder your fellow member by hostility or indifference.

3. You shall not confuse the members by using multiple nicknames

except upon a special permission from the Father.

4. You shall not bring personal feelings to the forum

except when allowed by a special verdict from the Mother.

5. You shall not desire someones possession his home, donkey or friendship

as it may start a dangerous precedent.

Vitaly, there was a misunderstanding that your post was not humorous but probably intentionally ironic.

Though, I believe this was humor and there is no problem for such a post to appear, even if it may not be directly related to what we discuss.

On the other side, Apostolis didn't delete it because someone gave such instructions but because he thought it was ironic.

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And as what is done, is done, I apologize for this post having been deleted...it should not

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To all:

Thanks for responding.

Although I think I've done nothing wrong - and it was admitted by Nikolas.

But I don't have anything against this entire topic being deleted and forgotten.

I don't want any disturbance. No grandiose ego, as well.

Please do as you wish - delete it or leave it.

(Justice has been served).

Whoever was offended, please take it easy and forgive. :razz:

P.S. I hope especially that Apostolis does not have grudges: in the hindsight I find our post-delete competition pretty funny. Things happen, as our President says :razz: Dear Apostoli: I understand that you are impartial, and would have done the same favor for me - but I won't bother you, I would love to take care of it myself.

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P.S. I hope especially that Apostolis does not have grudges: in the hindsight I find our post-delete competition pretty funny. Things happen, as our President says :razz:

Now, your acting like a child!!! :pity::pity::wow::blush:

I did not find it amusing on the weekend and I don't think Apostolis, did either!! :wow::wow:

Hristaki, Ι think thay Vitaly is just joking... :pity:

So, Vitaly welcome back! :razz: Let's go to the other topics and discuss about George!

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