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The speaking voice of Dalaras

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Christo, I think that what makes Dalaras talk that way is his noble character and personality and not his need to protect his voice...

I totally agree with you Pavlo and I think that the way he speaks reflects a internal peace and serenity (calmness). When listening to him in interviews or speaking generally or even more in the song: "Kane Kouragio Anna" (I also believe that it is the greatest song in the album "Thessaloniki - Giannena") I find the soft part of his character....

When I spoke about voice protection, I didn't of course refered to his singing in this song or generally in his way of speaking.

Speaking calmly is a general way of "living" for many singers (especially those who are occupied with opera or difficult singing) and they try not to shout or scream without a reason (in addition with some more precautionary measures like smoking etc.). They generally avoid speaking loudly in their quotidien life (καθημερινή ζωή).

However, I have to admit that Dalaras -as I said before- is calm and speaks in this way because of his CHARACTER first of all :wow: and only after that (in his private everyday life mainly) for protection reasons.

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Kane kouragio Anna ....

:)

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Pavlo, σ'ευχαριστω για τα λογια σου εδω!

:wow: I agree so much! And the music is something like a kind of a tango. It's important, for me especially, because it was the voice and repertoire of Giorgo which taught me dancing!!!

The first photo, Melissa? This divine (yes, I feel exactly so) dancing gesture, so close to my heart now... this is, why. And, because he was so old on it, as I am now? Possible, really.

Well, I don't mind at all, speaking about his age, after all I know him already so about 24 years, and my parents say, they even longer. :) But, to tell about the future, where he would perhaps not be able to sing and this sooner, as we wish... please, don't tell me that. Because nothing of that can be seen, the opposite more: he does look younger now as he was by "Apona matia" for example.

And again, the Bregovic' song for the rainy afternoon of a pretty heavy day

:):):)

Giorgos Dalaras as a politician? After what Mlina Merkouri said, I think too, he did already more for his country as every politician of our times.

And sooo much better. ....

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Hi guys,

OK to Astron and Christos

I understand your point of view and it seems logical becuase of what you said. So I won't conterattack, I know you guys really like that song,

But

as I said before, I didn't care for it. With that said though, I still think Dalaras should have added more 'Xroma' sthn Foni' too on the singing part off of the refrain.

In other words there was not enough color and/or emphasis placed on his voice when he sang the chorus. You may disagree with me fine

but to listen to a poem for 6 minutes long without any life to the vocals in it is totally DRY!!!

:wow:

Certainly not what I was expecting from Dalaras.

A good example by me to use for a poem sung by him would be

from composer 'Thanos Mikroutsikos' and lyrics by 'Nikos Gavvadias'

titled "YHNAIKA"

This is a 5 minute song sung softy over and over as a poem, and this composition is recorded beautifully and elegantly along the arrangements of the piano playing in the background to the soft singing voice from Dalaras.

:)

And another good example would be from the song

"Ta Vengalika Soy Matia" from composer Sembos.

It's a very slow ballad but sung softly like a poem without hardly any rhythm to it but with sustained strings in the background to his voice.

Now what do you guys think?

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Certainly not what I was expecting from Dalaras.

Well Christo, that's what's Dalaras always doing! Surprising with a new kind, and that's why it doesn't get boring!!

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Christo,

I don't know "Ginaika', I think.

A question: what recording of this "Vengalika sou matia" do you like best? The only one I appreciate completely, is that in the "Ultimate collection". The glissandi of the guitar - I don't know - the greater - better? string ensemble perhaps? A perfect tempo, not too slow - not too fast. Not shortened ornamentation notes.

The other recordings, Frankfurt live and - I think - Mousiko kouti - I can't remember well - are not so, how you named this, full of "chroma" of Gd's voice..

And after hearing this first mentioned version, not being "Dalaras - Starter" any more, I could hardly live two days and I had a couple of nights completely without sleep. After having studied literature and music long enough not to be sooooo - how can I say that? conquered?

So, that I am afraid of this song up till now - like no other song sung by Giorgos Dalaras.... I even wrote it once, bit I repeat some points, because it's bound with the topic here again.

Thanks, Christo, in advance for the answer!

Anna, I think, Christo meant being disappointed more or less. Right?

And, what about "Kane kouragio, Anna"? Do we have no another recording of thais song? Did GD ever sing that in any concert?

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:)

Hi Olga,

As for the song Ta Vengalika Soy Matia its a pretty tune and I like it only somewhat.

I say that because althought its a beautiful piece its too slow to place as a ballad for my tastes.

So even though I like it Ii'm not at all crazy for it either.

I suppose the live recording from Iera Odos is just as good as the original recorded on the participation cd "Sthn Ellada Kani Krio"

both slowy played.

Xenos Gia Senane Extrhos,

Vammena Kokkina Mallia

&

Ego Tha Soy Milw

are probably one of my favorite ballads by him

because there more easy to dance too I guess

:)

anyhow

you can find the song 'Gynaika'

from the colloboration cd

"Grammes Ton Orizonton"

Hope this helps

:wow:

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And, what about "Kane kouragio, Anna"? Do we have no another recording of thais song? Did GD ever sing that in any concert?

No, Olga we have only this version on CD and at all the concerts I visited he didn't sing this song!

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danke, Anna, thanks, Christo! I can only hardly say I "like" Vengalika soy matia. I am more scared of it, after the first effect it made on me. No changes noticed up till now.

I have neither "Stin Ellada kanei krio", nor "Grammes ton orizonton", nor "Iera Odos" I (just "only" II). Well, some beautiful day.

Vammena kokkina mallia.... yes, one of these songs of Giorgos Dalaras, which I wouldn't like to miss by his "perfect" concert or a concert of 30 songs.

But "Xenos...", no, the text, too sorrowful somewhere. This belongs to the part of GD's songs, I hear only very seldom. Like "O ouranos fevgi varis" or :"nichtose xoris fengari". All the same reason: too sorrowful texts...

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Christo,

I just think that we have a different point of view

I see "Κάνε κουράγιο ’ννα" as a poem, and Dalaras is the narrator

and you see it as a song.

No, I think that the singing part is a very small part of the song.

Here in Greece, listening to the reciting of a poem while having a musical backround is not new or strange.

I recently bought 3 cds :

The one is Odysseas Elitis narrating "To aksion Esti" (without any musical backround at all! The second one is Giannis Ritsos reading his poems and articles having some musical backround, and the other is Mikis Theodorakis and Ioulita Iliopoulou reading "Το μονόγραμμα" of Odysseas Elitis with the adagio of Mikis Theodorakis as a musical Backround. They are incredible pieces of art!

Christo, I would like to ask you, how much do you pay attention in music and how much in the lyrics of a song?

For me it's 50-50, I suppose that as a pianist you care more about the musical part. But I have to add, that even if "Κάνε κουράγιο ’ννα" didn't have any musical backround at all, I would still think that it's great!

And that's because in this song they have focused on the lyrics and the music is there only as a backround (except for the refrain).

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you can find the song 'Gynaika'

from the colloboration cd

"Grammes Ton Orizonton"

You can also find it in "To elliniko prosopo tou Yorgou Dalara", or by Giannis Koutras in Mikroutsikos' original recording "Stavros tou Notou".

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About "Κάνε Κουράγιο, ’ννα"

First of all I think that this song is one the best (if not the best) from the album with Bregovic.

For me the best song in this album is the version of "TV screen", originally sung by Iggy Pop in the soundtrack of Arizona Dream: Το τραγούδι της βροχής. And this one he has done live

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What a pity. I never saw this film completely! Every time only the beginning - then snoring - then waking up again, in the most idiotic hours our TV is transmitting this film! I've never seen an oroginal video tape by us, neither the recorded music as a whole. What a pity. :D

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Ach, Melissa, thanks! You can suppose, what my first Greek lesson was: a word-for-word translating of "Mi mou thimoneis" and "pou einai ta xronia"...

Well, Soc, the song is the second one for me in this album.

Have you had the possibilty to hear the melody of "Kane kouragio" with a Polish female singer Kayah? The text: a completely other one, but the performance a very succesful one, really.

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An almost perfect moment of the evening: I am online, Giorgos Dalaras says a few words in a broadcast connected with the music of 60' - 70' s and now he's singing a song with the refrain "Mavra mou matia", originally by Kazantzidis, if I understood well. I'll try to understand, what Giorgos Dalaras said before and let you know.... I like these momnets with my radio now, makes me awake even in the late night.

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Hi Astron,

No I'm not mad at you I'm upset this is the 2nd time I have to re-write this message because it didnt go thought the first time.

All messages I posted yesterday took along time to acknowledge it went thru. Maybe it had to coincide with 9/11 as today in Europe time it says it's 9/12.

So with that said in answer to your to your question and trying to remember exactly what I said, my tastes in music are also 50-50.

You must remember being that I'm born 1st generation in the states whose parents are both from Greek immigrants, Greek is my 2nd language. Thus making me 2nd generation Greek.

Therefore, there are some words sung that I have trouble translating and deciphering there meaning. When this happens, the lyrics become less important to me.

Furthermore, As a Greek/American Musician, I really take value and appreciate the beauty from the recording and arrangements of the orchestration in the music.

The mixdown from the studio is an Art form itself not knowing if the sound engineer is going to add special effects in the song or by adding other wierd electronic gizmos found in songs like in Clubmix Energy techno sounds.

I can do without these believe me!!!!

But most importantly, I'm also fascinated as to what types of instruments the musicians play in the recording and why they chose this sound over another. Wil the song feature a good Taximi at the beginning or end? One commom analogy is the musical arrangement and orchestration is generally written or geared around how the vocals are sung (Hence the version we have in 'Kouraiyo')

With that as it is, I look for 2 iMPORTANT Key Concepts in determining if a song will be a hit in my book or not.

1: If the song has a good melody line to it, (for example " Ian ehi oraiwa musique kai kali stoixoi, like the song from Kouyoumtzis,'H Eleoi kai Eleutheri Oraiwi") it will be a smashing hit.

2. On the other hand, if the song doens't possess a good tune to it, by that I mean it doesn't flow well to the melody part, it have better have good lyrics in it to tell a story.

Perhaps in this case 'Kouragio Anna'

tells a good story because it doesnt flow good in its melody tune due to GD whsipering half the time instead of singing out loud like we normally expect from him.

And then again you have some songs in the other extreme and by that I mean that have good music with stupid lyrics like

Gianni Vassilou "Pes mes to Kapriole, Pame yia kana Kafe"

How can you have meaning out of that from a Pop tune?

The same idea can be said of Michael Jacksons tune

'Just beat it, all's you got to do is Beat It"

Another Vlakia song made for just commercialism.

So maybe my version of a good song will probably be more 60-40% then 50-50. WIth Epitihies songs like Poune Ta Xronia and Mh Milas Kindinvei H Ellas, theres no way they would have been such smashing hits to their lyrics if they were sung laid back with hardly any beat to them.

The fact that their rhythm tempo is Upbeat (in this case the Karsilemas and Rock rhthym)

makes them already winners added with great lyrics sung by GD.

:pity:

Ohh and les not forget as an afterthought,

I once asked NIkolas if this song was referring to Dalaras wife as she is his production manager and normally toures with him.

He said no, but as you listen closely 1/2 way down the middle, one does get the eerie feeling he's talking about her as he says ,"

Mh Gerasis Anna, Min Yerasis - Voi'thas ton Andra Soy."

Kane Kourayo Anna'

:D

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Mia stigmi, Christo, have you heard these words you quote at the end in some version or would you have changed them so for Giorgos Dalaras and his wife? Would suit here, ε; και αυτο το μου αρεσει... Πολυ....

Thanks, Christo!

(btw. the Greek word makes a kind of rhyme to your name :D

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