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Για ένα πράγμα χαίρομαι : όταν είμαι στην Ελλάδα, σπάνια βλέπω τηλεόραση !!! :pity::(:mad::blush:

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Francios, what do you mean,explain?

Am i sure what works that way?Capatalism or commecials?

Forget it!!!! :(

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I do understand the need for commercials, but I still don't like them. Except the problem with the video recorders, the worst thing is that they ruin the atmosphere and the flow of the show... either this is a concert or a good film... That's why I also hated the "great idea" the director had to interrupte the concert here and then, with something that looked like lighting wiht a projector in a black screen...

Anyway, I rarely watch TV and commercials are one reason.

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They didn't show it in Cyprus either or if they did if was after 00.30 and it wasn't advertised so I'm hoping that ANT will broadcast it another night here.

Often our programmes are not the same as ANT in Greece.

As for commercials it's a fact of life these days and we can't do anything about it :pity:

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As for commercials it's a fact of life these days and we can't do anything about it :pity:

Of course we can, Lynne !!! There's a law in France that says that no film, no concert, no programme* of any kind can be interrupted by commercials on state-owned channels. Laws can be voted by parliaments !!! :pity:

* writing "programme" the British way, just like "favourite" or "theatre".

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State run Television!!

I said "state-owned", not "state-run", sarantiis, and believe me, our state-owned channels in France are the channels with the best programmes! (France2, France3, and France5 + ARTE which is also owned by Germany.) You will never find good programmes or good films or good concerts on TF1 or M6 which are private television channels. They only broadcast cheap soap operas, ridiculous video clips kai tosa alla pou koimizoun to lao...

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They should not interrupt a concert, I think, because they never seem to pick the right moment. You always miss a bit. And indeed, Niki, it infects the flow and the atmosphere. Between programs, already bad enough, but if that is nessesary to bring the concerts, I'd say ok.

Do you really think it would be possible to reach the pay-stations like Ant1 or Mega,Nicolas? I bought this satellite, but can only get ERT and some commercial-stations. I'd need a card, and I 'd like to buy one, but I cannot buy it here in Holland. :pity:

Do you know more? :pity:

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State run Television!! What a terrible idea..

I think you should try the French state-owned channels, sarantiis. You'd be surprised.

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State owned or State run ,whats the difference? They are still under the thumb of the government and must conform to their wishes...I know that here in the USA the stations are all private corporate owned and they must compete against each other for an auddiance..So, you see quality movies,quality shows and you get the luxury of picking from over 60-70 channels..I also have cabel so it actually gives me targeted channel such as music channels,sports,gardening channels,cooking channels,etc....

Maybe it forks for you but when i think of state owned channels,i think of Iran,Iraq and the former Russia where they would only sent out what information they wanted to get out....In other words you get the governments custom taylored point of view not many different points of view.....

France is a real democracy, sarantiis. It is not Irak or Iran or Former Russia, or even the United States (not a democracy for me). Democracy means that we have the right to an access to the right information and to the best films and shows or concerts. This is done only through the state-owned channels which ensure that we may have the best information. The same applies in Britain, as, as I know, the BBC is most excellent at playing this role. Watch TF1 and M6, our 2 private channels: cheap trash all the time, and information fit for the worst tabloid readers. A singer like Dalaras would probably never accept to have one of his concerts broadcast on one of those two silly capitalistic channels that continuously try and satisfy the "modern" consumers' appetite for all the trash they broadcast (mostly American trash btw, but we have our share too :pity::pity: ).

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Saranti, I do agree that sometimes state run or state owned channels may potentially be misused by governments, especially as far as news are concerned... It has happened before and nothing guarantes that it won't happen again.

BUT here in Greece ( I can only speak for my country) state channels have been dramatically improved! Not only they show quality film (unlike the private ones that show only blockbasters and silly movies), not only they have quality missions of diferent kinds (programmes for music, sports, documentaries about nature etc... unlike the private ones that most of the times broadcust reality shows and similar things or missions where people are being humiliated etc...) but also even the programmes that are about what goes on in Greece and in the world are being quite good and defitanely the news in the state-owned channels are FAR better that the equivalent in the private channels.

Their programmes used to be boring, cheap and of bad taste but nowadays the opposite thing is happening. When I do turn on the TV, I always end up to watch something in a state owned channel... Of course many things have to be done... untill we can say that state TV is better than private but so far it seams to me that it does have all the possibilities to be so... (IF we can be careful about the misuse...)

Private TV channels have two good things... They show Dalaras (but they are not the only ones... remember the Millenium Concert) and they do have some reporters that have some very interesting programmes about politics, and other issues... But all the rest and especially the news are AWFUL!!! Ok, I don't want to be strick so I will refrase that. Most of the rest programmes and all the news are awful!!!

P.S. I don't like the idea of having the governments messing around with the TV or radio channels either, but remember when Hadjidakis was in charge how well he did! What we need is people with inspriration and morality!

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P.S. I don't like the idea of having the governments messing around with the TV or radio channels either, but remember when Hadjidakis was in charge how well he did! What we need is people with inspriration and morality!

In France, the government doesn't mess around with the state-owned TV or radio channels, it let them do their "service public" job, and has to give them the means to to it properly (this is very important for a democracy).

Oso afora ton Xatzidaki, Niki, tetoious anthrwpous exoume mono kathe dyo i treis aiwnes... Ti na kanoume;

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Well, ANT1 isn't that silly or "capitalistic as it seems to be, thank God (referring to God now :pity::pity::razz: ), but it does exaggerate a "little" bit.

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Good, now we have a very interesting topic to talk about (other than Dalaras of course because any topic that has something to do with dalaras is by definition interesting).

So, hmmmm, the great capitalism. ENRON. The one that provides with the best service. Worldcom. The one that is efficient. Airport security. The one that takes care of its investors. XEROX. The one that is honest. Arthur Andersen. Ans the list goes on and on and on. And these are not isolated cases. These are the biggest corporations in the US the ones that enter or homes every day and storm us with commercials and provide us with things we need. And these are the ones that we know of. Because everyday we wake up we have a new one. And by now I 've lost count.

I have nothing against capitalism in its theoretical form because simply I do not know what it looks like. No country in the world has practiced capitalism the way the theory defines it in the words of Adam Smith or any other classical economist or even J. M. Keynes. I just like to see it in order to judge it. Because the thing I am seeing today is not capitalism. It 's something by far simpler: GREED. And the same argument goes about communism which in theory was something entirely different than what we saw. (The writings of Marx and Engels in no case produced the murderers and extremists we saw). So, dear friends, when you want to refer to a political system, refer to it in theoretical terms. If you want to refer to a country's politics refer to it by the name of the country, so we know what we are talking about.

And as far as wealth of information goes, when I want to be really informed I turn to National Public Radio, BBC, or ERT or TV5 and never, never to CNN or NBC the biggest propaganda makers. It takes 5 minutes to watch the news there and it turns your stomach upside down. If you are a thinking person.

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Francios,Niki i beleave that governments role is simply to provide its citizens with protection(police,military) , justice system(courts) and to provide clean paved roads for people to drive on.Asside from those basic functions i would rather they stay out of my life..I dont beleave state owned TV ,radio or mail service is something governments should get involved in...Private corporations can always be better than Government owned anything ....Look at how ineffecient governments are run.There is terrible waiste,you can never get anything done in a timely manner...It takes them forever to process papers for simple matters.What makes you think they can handle running TV or radio stations...I dont really think that you beleave that State owned Television and radio will keep there nose out of the affairs of the stations.Im sure they set the guidelines as to what they want broadcast or not..I still feel government owned TV or radio is a terrible idea!!...Anyway, we are getting very far from the original topic here,so if you want to watch your stations go ahead.I would never watch anything on TV that was State owned..I suppose things are different here in the USA ,as we have 70-100 different stations to pick from .The stations are all fighting for our viewing dollar,so they must have good programming or they close up and move on....I dont know maybe that is the difference.I dont beleave state owned TV would survive a week here....

Francios, the other thing that i want to ask you is what do you feel is so bad about capatalism? I have heard you say negative things so i would like to understand what it is about capatalism you find so discusting.I want to understand your point of view..You can e-mail me if yould rather keep your thoughts private....

sarantiis, are you Greek or American?

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Good, now we have a very interesting topic to talk about (other than Dalaras of course because any topic that has something to do with dalaras is by definition interesting).

So, hmmmm, the great capitalism. ENRON. The one that provides with the best service. Worldcom. The one that is efficient. Airport security. The one that takes care of its investors. XEROX. The one that is honest. Arthur Andersen. Ans the list goes on and on and on. And these are not isolated cases. These are the biggest corporations in the US the ones that enter or homes every day and storm us with commercials and provide us with things we need. And these are the ones that we know of. Because everyday we wake up we have a new one. And by now I 've lost count.

I have nothing against capitalism in its theoretical form because simply I do not know what it looks like. No country in the world has practiced capitalism the way the theory defines it in the words of Adam Smith or any other classical economist or even J. M. Keynes. I just like to see it in order to judge it. Because the thing I am seeing today is not capitalism. It 's something by far simpler: GREED. And the same argument goes about communism which in theory was something entirely different than what we saw. (The writings of Marx and Engels in no case produced the murderers and extremists we saw). So, dear friends, when you want to refer to a political system, refer to it in theoretical terms. If you want to refer to a country's politics refer to it by the name of the country, so we know what we are talking about.

And as far as wealth of information goes, when I want to be really informed I turn to National Public Radio, BBC, or ERT or TV5 and never, never to CNN or NBC the biggest propaganda makers. It takes 5 minutes to watch the news there and it turns your stomach upside down. If you are a thinking person.

It's too early in the morning for me to think, but Sarper hm, sorry, Soc is right!

Because the thing I am seeing today is not capitalism. It 's something by far simpler: GREED.

... and another thing:

And as far as wealth of information goes, when I want to be really informed I turn to National Public Radio, BBC, or ERT or TV5 and never, never to CNN or NBC the biggest propaganda makers. It takes 5 minutes to watch the news there and it turns your stomach upside down. If you are a thinking person.

Thank you Sarper... (Soc, rather.... I was mistaken by the "guru", not very well today... I should go and see a doctor.... :pity: )

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Sarantiis, here's part of my answer to your question: 1/4 ot the children in the US are victims of capitalism and don't have enough to live (I mean to eat properly and have the appropriate food and vitamins) The American "dream" has become a nightmare to them! Another part of my answer: Capitalism and its avatar, colonialism (and don't forget that Greece was an American colony for 7 years), are greatly reponsible for the extreme poverty all over the world (especially in Africa and South America), for the non-sharing of wealth, for for the death of about 100000 children a year in Iraq, etc.

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As far a Enron and a couple others,most corporations around the world are run quite well and streight up...So, giving me two or three isolated failed corrupt companies does not prove anything to me...How about the thousands of others that do well and are run correctly?

Run correctly? Surely... Their aim is to accumulate profit, not to share it and "make this life free and beautiful" (Ch. Chaplin).

Do well? If "starving" people is called "doing well", then, they do well :pity::pity::razz: .

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But we are off topic. Sarantiis, if you wish to go on on the subject, please, create a new topic, all right? :pity:

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It's too early in the morning for me to think, but Sarper is right!

Thank you Sarper...

Lol, mon ami, you were right about one thing : it was indeed too early in the morning for you to think, coz it was not Sarper, but Socratis whom you agreed with :pity::pity::razz:

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