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Even though packed concerts and CD sales are the most visible appreciations from the public, an official recognition of the artists' contributions to the musical history of Greece, even if they themselves do not care for it, would be a sign of respect and gratefulness.

I don't think the real MUSICIANS would take care of this 'officials'!!!!

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This I forgot!

If they are doing a concert already now ( see Prespes to honour Lefteris Papadopoulos) these 'officials' are always sitting first row! Of course without paying,......and the really interested ones have to stand in the back!!

And to the tourists coming to Greece!

Well, I started like this!

It's up to any one to get what he/she deserves!

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Francois, do you realize you sound just a wee bit arrogant with your "No need of Dalaras to discover those artists, and I can tell you that I knew ..." ? Sounds like you think you know everything and don't need anyone to learn from.

Geeske, no arrogance at all in my post, but a sort of annoyance about that "Dalaras filter" someone had refered to some time ago. Besides, my post was more an answer to Christo's post about the "terrible" quality of recordings by great rebetes!!!

I don't know everything, as you perfectly know (you and not GD made me know and appreciate Malamas for example) and I am eager to learn knew things every day, even from Dalaras, of course !!!. You'd be amazed at the amount of unknown (for me) music I listen to every day !!!

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Francois, if I hadn't known about your open ears, I wouldn't have bothered to write anything - I had reason to think that what you wrote was not quite a fair expression of the way you listen to music. And let's please forget about the "Dalaras filter", because it's utter nonsense - the only filter is in the listener's ear.

As for that museum, Saranti, I can appreciate your wish to do honor to Dalaras, but have you read what Anna described in the "Lysistrati in Thessaloniki" report? How uncomfortable he was with the crown of laurel on his head? Surely there must be a better way.

Besides. Museums are for dead greeks.

You know, all my friends know my interest in history and archeology, so last spring when I said I was going to Athens, they all assumed I was going to "do the antiques".

My response: "I'm not going to Athens for any dead Greeks. Only for LIVE ones".

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I don't think Greece needs a museum for its music (you can find many things about Greek music in a few museums in Athens, anyway), but better information about it so that young people and foreigners may have all the tips to listen to good Greek music.

But Greece has an advantage over other European countries: search for a CD, you will find it. If it is out of print, it is never for a long time.We have nothing of the sort in France, unfortunately...

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Geske, thank you for reminding of Anna's "picture" of GD with a laurel crown on his head! Nοt so very comfortable, poor δικος μας.... hihihihi; thanks, Geske, for bringing me in a good mood!

But, if not museum, so what? The tourists would ever look only for the 100st arrangement of "Greek Zorba"....

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Geske, thank you for reminding of Anna's "picture" of GD with a laurel crown on his head! Nοt so very comfortable, poor δικος μας.... hihihihi; thanks, Geske, for bringing me in a good mood!

But, if not museum, so what? The tourists would ever look only for the 100st arrangement of "Greek Zorba"....

Ach, Francois: do you have in Lille the same bilboards concerning Greece 2004, as I saw in May in Paris? It was a really good thing, but I think, Francois can describe it better, because of his knowledge of French language.... :):pity::mad:

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Francois: do you have in Lille the same bilboards concerning Greece 2004, as I saw in May in Paris? It was a really good thing, but I think, Francois can describe it better, because of his knowledge of French language.... :):pity::mad:

I have not seen it yet, Olga, but I'll try and pay more attention... I went to Lille this afternoon to buy Mr Salman Rushdie's first novel, but I must admit I didn't look around me as I was a bit in a hurry...

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I dont think you guys are understanding me at all..I dont mean a musium as in the traditional sence . ..I mean a modern musuim with interactive areas where you see the progression and evolution of Greek music..Where you could listen to Greek music thru headphones and see the actual instruments used by the artists of each era and the evolution of the instruments used from early on to today...There are better ways to do this than to have "dead musicians" honored in it...Here in the USA there is a "rock and roll hall of fame" and a place called "The experience music project " here in seattle..They are not like anything you have ever seen.Not musium like.Very informative and honors those who brought music here in the USA to where it is today..This is what im saying..

What would be better for Greece to honour and to educate Greek musicians and composers..Tourists could visit,you could have school feild trips there and teach Greek children about greek music history and have them exposed to the early and current artists/composers who were the pioneers of Greek music..You could have areas where kids could wear headphones and hear music from all areas of greek music and an area where kids could pick up instruments and strum them and get a feel for how an instrument works.Have it interactive ,fun and educational.........

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A good example wood be to look up "the experience music project".It is a very modern interactive music musium..In fact two of my guitars and a rare catolog are in the musium...It is very modern and interactice,very informative and fun at the same time....

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the greek music smithsonian

I can picture it being interactive. You press a button and a guy comes up to you with a χιτώνιο playing the lyra. Or the chorus from the ancient dramatic plays shows up. And then McDonalds opens a store inside, and then you will have to become a member and subscribe to the monthly newsletter and on your way out you get a free cd with the latest hits, because of course the record labels will be the first sponsors. Because we need sponsors. And if you are an artist, until you are dead you have no place there, because this is a monument. Or they can resolve the issue of who is going to be in this hall of fame by the number of records they sold, since as we have very well established the record labels will be the sponsors.

I am sorry but I would rather be exposed to greek music by going to a concert or a theatre. You want the kids to be exposed to it? Take them with you.

κάποιος τραγούδησε κάποτε:

Κάτω απ' την Ακρόπολη, παίζουνε μονόπολη

PS: Kazantzidis? According to my very very personal opinion, the most overestimated greek singer. Γκρίνια και κακό

PS2: Be nice

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PS: Kazantzidis? According to my very very personal opinion, the most overestimated greek singer. Γκρίνια και κακό

Very well loved singers or whatever are always overestimated by their fans, even Dalaras, of course !!!

As far as Kazantzidis is concerned, he is one of the best, absolutely no doubt about it.

Γκρίνια και κακό
What a libellous statement, honestly! :D

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Mellissa,that is great!! Thanks...This is the kind of thing im talking about..But on a larger scale.Im talking about a huge modern interactive musium in the hart of Athens...Also, think about this ,a school of music connected with the musuim as well.After all there are many music universities such as Berkley school of music in california ,Juliard school of music in Boston and there is one in New York as well...Wouldnt it be nice for Greece to have a school of music so people from Europe could attend as well....The posibilities are endless........

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I have a little more experience with museum than most people.

My semi-professional activities in "Living History" take me to dozens of them. They are mostly full of artefacts in showcases, that people look at briefly and turn away again, not knowing what they are looking at. Also some of them have modernized and invested massive amounts of money in "interactive" things, meaning computers (out of date within a year of two).

And you know what?

Museums are very boring, very quickly, for everyone except a tiny minority with a specialist interest. Unless there is a real live person interacting with the visitors, drawing their questions out of them and answering them.

All very well for archeology. Even for paintings. But music?

We have recordings preserve it. And living music, well, that belongs on a stage, not in a museum.

p.s. I think the word "interactive" when applied to computers is one those whacking great big lies that are used to plaster the cracked face of our ruined world. Computers are TOOLS, nothing more, nothing less. They are the means, not the end. And they do NOT communicate.

You need people for that.

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Geske, i respectfully disagree with you and i dont believe musiums are boring at all.In act i find them very interesting,informative and educational...But you have your opinion and i have mine....

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.... Of course I don't mean only this year ,I mean and the next and the next...

I don't think that Dalaras is going to sing for many more years. He is 52 already!! :pity:

 

11 χρονια μετα!! Αντε και στα επομενα 11!!

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